Can you help me understand this?

If you’re not planning to cruise, you absolutely need to do PCT to help your body start producing naturally again. Regarding pubertal gyno, if you’re 25 and still have it or it has hardened, surgery is the only way to remove the gland, my friend. You don’t need to take Caber for PCT since it’s meant for lowering prolactin, and you’re not on anything that raises it.

That pretty much clears things up for me, thanks, man. I was thinking about using Nolva and HCG, but I saw this and thought there might be some hope, haha.

That’s not really PCT...

Yeah, I guess I didn’t clarify that in my reply either.

It’s not worth the risks of those medications; it’s been too long, and surgery is the only real solution.

For AAS-induced gyno that hasn’t fully hardened, the reversal protocol involves taking 60mg of Raloxifene daily for 10 days, then 30mg daily until it’s resolved. You don’t need the other medications; Ralox and Nolva are basically similar, with Ralox being more selective for breast tissue and not lowering IGF as much as Nolva does, though both suppress it.

The ROCK would definitely back your recommendation.

It’s not going to help. I’ve taken Raloxifene for a year at 60mg and 30mg, plus Nolvadex for a month or two at a time, and even tried high doses of masteron and epistane (random suggestion from Reddit). None of it worked. Your choices are to build your chest so it’s less noticeable or to get surgery. If you have the gland, AAS will make it more pronounced. That’s why you’ll rely on Ralox for any serious cycles. I also tried using Caber and Prami with no success, but maybe I’m just not the brightest. Good luck!

It’s pretty straightforward to just get the surgery. I’m sure many guys here have done it. Someone should create a list of local doctors and costs. I think that’s what keeps a lot of guys from using chemicals. I’d share my info if someone set it up.

I’ve heard that applying DHT cream to your nipples can make gyno fade away in a few weeks. I haven't tried it yet, but I'll share my results when I do.

You’re right. Do you think I need a 4 or 6-week actual PCT protocol? I just read a thread here about it.

Why are you combining Raloxifene with Nolvadex? Ralox can potentially lead to blood clots, which is all you need for gyno, along with an AI to help reduce your overall estrogen levels a bit.