Adjusting gear dosage while bulking

peachykeen2316.34RPOriginal post

1mo ago

For those who have experienced several bulking cycles, how do you evaluate total weekly milligrams in relation to diet and workout routines? If someone has their calories, protein intake, and training intensity fully optimized, does staying around ~500 mg/week total (like Testosterone plus another substance) hinder gains? Or does the diminishing returns principle still hold true: • Strong response up to ~500 mg • Slower improvements beyond that • Increased side effects at higher amounts When does boosting total milligrams actually lead to significantly better growth during a bulk? I'm currently bulking with a buddy who is using 1200 a week and seeing great results. I'm making progress, but it's not as fast as his. I heard a podcast with Todd Lee and John Jewett where they cited Broderick Chavez and mentioned a guideline of about 15–20 mg per pound for PED usage. I take it this is mostly relevant for advanced or professional bodybuilders, not the average gym-goer. I'm curious how others here view that—does it seem like a “high-end” benchmark, or something more generally applicable? (I also understand this topic might have been discussed extensively over the years).

7 replies

vinyl_vagabond18.05RP

1mo ago

Wait, what? LOL 20mg per pound... so for a 250lb guy, that’s 5,000mg? I've seen people dial everything in, and their 600-700mg of test a week is more than sufficient. Then there are guys who take 1.5g a week and still look terrible. You really don’t need to escalate drug use unless you’re aiming for a pro card. Honestly, 99.9999999999% of us would do just fine on 750mg of test and GH. But talking about higher doses is more entertaining. You could run 500mg of test and 4IU of GH repeatedly and still make solid progress.

peachykeen2316.34RP

1mo ago

Exactly - the idea is to gradually increase the test and then add a lot of primo or masteron (and now DHB) since they are milder. I think Jewett mentioned he got up to around 3500mg preparing for a competition.

geraldc31.85RP

1mo ago

Even then, they often didn’t use as much as people assume to achieve their results. They push limits for that extra 1% advantage to earn their pro card or win. I’ve seen individuals on legitimate gear use absurdly high amounts and still look awful. Legitimately 3-4 times what I’ve ever used.

geraldc31.85RP

1mo ago

If you can't look impressive with just 500-750mg of Test (with GH and Reta being great add-ons too), it likely means your training isn't on point and your diet is lacking. Just the reality.

crowtrader77365.16RP

1mo ago

If everything is set perfectly during a bulk and you're not gaining size.... 1) Eat more 2) Eat more 3) Stop training like a total coward. Have a good one.

cloudytide5.31RP

1mo ago

Do they really think I should take 3750-5000 mgs a week? LOL. No way.

doodlebug719.01RP

1mo ago

When they refer to those high dosages, they are primarily discussing Mast, not testosterone. I had a chat with Todd Lee, and he explained this to me. He advises against going above a TRT level of testosterone, which varies for each individual. His rationale is that raising your testosterone levels can lead to side effects, requiring an AI, but you also need estrogen to convert your HGH into IGF-1. So, he uses just enough testosterone to maintain his desired estrogen level and then incorporates safer compounds like Mast. Traditionally, Mast wasn't seen as effective for muscle growth, but he argues that's incorrect because there's no real upper limit; you can take grams of it without damaging your organs, and at those doses, it’s effective for muscle gain with fewer side effects.