Fats or Carbs? | Community Forum

wildmoth8.17RPOriginal post

1mo ago

I realize that some individuals can be quite passionate about this topic, particularly when it comes to dieting. The keto enthusiasts and low-fat advocates both believe they are correct. Personally, I think it varies from person to person, and I find a balance between the two works best for me. I maintain a weight of 230-245 lbs and keep my fat intake around 100g daily, adjusting only my carbs when cutting. I’ve encountered people who still think eggs and milk are unhealthy (which is just laughable). I’m curious about everyone’s stance on this. Just sharing for fun, I’m not trying to change anyone's views, nor am I changing my approach LOL. Additionally, I’ve been thinking that those on heavy cycles might need to monitor their cholesterol more closely, so perhaps they should limit saturated fats, whether it’s from natural sources like eggs and milk or not. But it’s absurd for someone on a lot of gear to claim that "nobody needs over 50g of fat" (this is a real quote from an online "coach"). EDIT: I was going to create a poll, but I decided against it.

18 replies

nighteast18.29RP

1mo ago

Honestly, I’m somewhat neutral on this. I think people get too rigid with both extremes. Some thrive on higher carbs, while others do better with higher fat, and it often depends on training style, goals, genetics, insulin sensitivity, appetite, etc. Personally, I find that keeping fats moderate and adjusting carbs according to whether I’m cutting or in a growth phase works best for me. I feel like I’ve been in a continual cut for the last decade. lol I also agree that blanket statements like “nobody needs over 50g fat” are overly simplistic. There’s a significant difference between consuming quality fats from sources like eggs, salmon, olive oil, and avocados versus just eating processed junk.

vinyl_vagabond18.05RP

1mo ago

Limiting to 50g of fat daily is absurd! Dieting and gaining muscle is straightforward. People complicate it too much. Determine your TDEE, adjust calories for growth or weight loss, and then:.35g of fat per pound of body weight, 1g of protein per pound. If I’m in a growth phase, I like to set my protein around my goal weight. So if I weigh 200lbs but aim to gain 1lb weekly for 12 weeks, I set my protein at 212g. Then I fill the rest with carbs.

wildmoth8.17RP

1mo ago

The same person who claimed 50g of fat also said eggs are bad because of saturated fat or some other nonsense. That post inspired me to create this one.

wildmoth8.17RP

1mo ago

Yeah, that sounds about right, I usually aim for around.4 for fats. It seems like a lot of these folks just want to be "right" so badly. Some are almost as extreme as vegans, identifying as keto or low fat and reminding us of it in every conversation.

broker_fixer90119.06RP

1mo ago

I started carnivore about six months ago, consuming less than 15g of carbs daily, with protein over 225g and fat around 120g. I lost a significant amount of fat over three months and felt amazing. BUT, I recently switched it up and added carbs, currently having 200g of protein, 150g of carbs, and 50g of fat. I’m still shedding some body fat while gaining lean muscle. I see advantages to both approaches; I managed to lose weight with both low and high fat intake. However, I feel more energized now with carbs and lower fat intake.

vinyl_vagabond18.05RP

1mo ago

THIS! A bunch of low-fat, vegan, crossfit enthusiasts lol

nighteast18.29RP

1mo ago

Lol.

brokerpilot307115.59RP

1mo ago

That’s because weight loss isn’t about your macro ratios. It’s primarily about total calorie intake and expenditure.

brokerpilot307115.59RP

1mo ago

I eat what makes me feel good, which often means a high-carb diet. Some days I also consume a lot of fats. I agree that it’s a completely personal journey. Ultimately, I set a calorie target whether I’m cutting, maintaining, or bulking, and I fill it with whatever I prefer.

vinyl_vagabond18.05RP

1mo ago

I can imagine you indulge in whatever you like.

brokerpilot307115.59RP

1mo ago

You know what I mean… that confidence.

zooming_hero10.99RP

1mo ago

Yes and no, your calorie intake is crucial for weight changes, but I found it much easier to stay satisfied and less hungry while in ketosis during my carnivore phase. I did strict carnivore for over seven months last year and lost 110lbs. Eventually, I switched to a cleaner diet with more carbs for an energy boost in the gym and to improve my cholesterol levels for a while.

turbodark11.05RP

1mo ago

Exactly—this isn’t hard or complicated. I appreciate Broderick Chavez’s perspective: 30-40kcal/kg body weight, 1g fat/kg body weight, and 2.5g protein/kg body weight. I fill in the rest with carbs. For me, that translates to about 225g protein, 400g carbs, and 70g fat… although I usually don’t hit the 70g of fat and end up slightly higher on protein. It’s just what works for me, and I feel good with it. I’ll also mention that high fat and GLP1s don’t mix well for me; I feel terrible.

brokerpilot307115.59RP

1mo ago

So yes, I was only addressing how weight loss works, not what helps you feel fuller.

chilldrop454.44RP

1mo ago

I really find this challenging. Until 2019, I was following a low-fat, high-carb diet and was quite out of shape. I had joint pain and underwent surgeries on my joints and intestines for over a decade. In 2019, I switched to keto, which changed my life. I experienced less pain, lost weight, and eventually moved to a carnivore diet. I felt stronger and healthier, but my lipid levels shot up, with my LDL reaching 322 (not ideal for those on gear). I reduced my saturated fat intake and, with help, got my lipids in check. Unfortunately, I’ve lost some strength; my bench press max dropped by 15 pounds, and my weight fell below 170, although I’m currently at 175. I’ve been considering increasing my carb intake, like adding rice, but haven’t done it yet. I mostly increased my vegetables and nuts, but I haven’t regained my strength, even while using some gear. I’m planning to start a TRT cruise for a couple of months, then try some bold Cyp in late summer and increase my carbs. Everyone’s experience is different; this is just mine. It’s all about trade-offs.

attictinker11.88RP

1mo ago

As someone who sometimes struggles with cutting, I find that I lose weight more effectively with higher carb intake. Ultimately, what matters most is consuming whole foods and managing calorie intake. For instance, when I’m focused, I go through around 60 eggs and 2 gallons of milk each week.

broker_fixer90119.06RP

1mo ago

I hear you, I was a strict carnivore for a long time, went through a recomp where I lost about 20lbs of body fat and gained a lot of lean mass. However, when I pushed myself hard with weights and cardio, I noticed my energy levels dropped, feeling flat during workouts. I switched to a high-protein, low-fat (50g) diet and reintroduced carbs, and I have to say, my energy and workout performance improved significantly. I plan to lose a few more pounds, and when I start my cruise, I’ll cut back on carbs and see how I feel.

watchful_tiger6.7RP

1mo ago

Absolutely, I’m on board with the personalized approach. Some individuals feel and perform better with higher carbs, while others thrive on more fats. Personally, I find that consuming 80–100g of moderate fat works best for me, and I adjust my carb intake based on whether I’m cutting or not. The idea that "nobody needs over 50g fat" is just a silly generalization. Eat foods that you can stick with and that help maintain good blood circulation and energy.